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Faith and Mountain

Data

(1) 1Cor 13:2
(2a) Mark 11:22-23 = Matt 21:21
(2b) Matt 17:19-21 = (!) Luke 17:6
(3a) Thom 48
(3b) Thom 106

 

Texts

(1) 1Cor 13:2b

13:1 If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 13:2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 13:3 If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.


(2a) Mark 11:22-23 = Matt 21:21

11:22 Jesus answered them, "Have faith in God. 11:23 Truly I tell you, if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and thrown into the sea,' and if you do not doubt in your heart, but believe that what you say will come to pass, it will be done for you.

= Matt 21:21
21:21 Jesus answered them, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.

(2b) Matt 17:19-21 = (!) Luke 17:6

17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not cast it out?" 17:20 He said to them, "Because of your little faith. For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

= Luke 17:6 (but mountain replaced by mulberry tree)
17:6 The Lord replied, "If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.


(3a) Thom 48

48 Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in a single house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move from here!' and it will move." [Complete Gospels]


(3b) Thom 106

106 Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, 2and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move." [Complete Gospels]

 

 

Notes

John Dominic Crossan

Item: 69
Stratum: I (30-60 CE)
Attestation: Double
Historicity: -

 

IQP

The International Q Project reconstructs the original Q saying as follows:

If you have faith like a mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree: be uprooted and planted in the sea! And it would obey you.

 

Jesus Seminar

Text

Item

 Source

JS Mtg

%Red

%Pink

%Gray

%Black

W Avg

Color
Core saying
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
12
42
19
27
0.46
Gray
Thom 48
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
4
29
29
38
0.33
Gray
Thom 106
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
4
29
29
38
0.33
Gray
Thom 106:1-2
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
0
0
0
100
0.00
Black
Mark 11:23
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
0
30
35
35
0.32
Gray
Matt 17:14-21
112
Q, K, T
88Son
0
18
41
41
0.26
Gray
Matt 17:20
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
0
30
40
30
0.33
Gray
Matt 21:20a
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
0
0
0
100
0.00
Black
Matt 21:21
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
0
30
35
35
0.32
Gray
Luke 17:5-6
112
Q, K, T
88Son
5
14
4
41
0.27
Gray
Luke 17:5-6
112
Q, K, T
90Cin
9
17
26
48
0.29
Gray

Despite the wide attestation of this saying (preserved in three different forms and in three independent witnesses), the commentary in The Five Gospels (p. 98f) notes that a majority of the Fellows voted the item "gray or black on the grounds that it was a commonplace adopted by Mark and the other evangelists" rather than a saying that originated with Jesus.

 

Samuel T. Lachs

Lachs [Rabbinic Commentary on the New Testament, 263] observes that a specific rabbinic expression [oqer harim] was used for such feats where doing "the near impossible" was involved. Lachs also cites a rabbinic parallel to miraculously moving a tree (as in Luke 17:6):

May this carob tree be moved, and it was." [B. BM. 58b]

Gerd Luedemann

Luedemann [Jesus, 79] regards this saying as authentic:

This saying is based on a hyperbolic metaphor (cf. Matt. 17.20; Luke 17.6) of the kind that Jesus also loved elsewhere (cf. 10.25). It emphasizes the power of a characteristic faith and is probably authentic. Cf. Matt. 7.7-11/Luke 11.9-13.

 

John P. Meier

Meier [Marginal Jew II,889] comments as follows:

A variant form of the saying on the power of prayer (Mark 11:22-23) to move a mountain (or alternatively, a sycamore tree) is found in the Q material (Matt 7:19-20 || Luke 17:6) and more distantly in Paul's remark on the power of faith to move mountains in 1 Cor 13:2. obviously, this saying, perhaps rooted in a popular proverb, circulated widely and independently of any larger context in first-generation Christianity (Mark, Q, Paul).

 

 

 

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